Bought from Merv, one of the largest limited class dogs I have seen. Good for 4 & 6 dog class. Was pushed to hard as a pup before I got him and turned soft. Worked awhile with this bloodline and found I did not get enough pups out of a litter that were really good. Took too long to mature upstairs. I believe the dog would have been good if he had not been pushed so hard as a pup.